{"id":586,"date":"2012-02-11T10:04:34","date_gmt":"2012-02-11T16:04:34","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/interfluency.com\/?p=586"},"modified":"2021-02-21T17:10:20","modified_gmt":"2021-02-21T23:10:20","slug":"giants-own-patriots-or-papa-gigantes","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/interfluency.com\/en\/2012\/02\/11\/giants-own-patriots-or-papa-gigantes\/","title":{"rendered":"\u201cGiants own Patriots\u201d or \u201cPap\u00e1 Gigantes\u201d?!!"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>With their stunning Super Bowl victory over the New England Patriots, the New York Giants not only became NFL champions for the second time in a five-year span, they also extended their recent, but impressive, domination of the team that has been pro football\u2019s standard of excellence for the past decade.<\/p>\n<p>The Giants, in the phrase of the hour, \u201cown\u201d the Patriots. (One example among thousands: \u201c<a href=\"http:\/\/www.scoresreport.com\/2012\/02\/06\/it%E2%80%99s-official-the-giants-still-own-the-patriots\">It\u2019s Official: The Giants Still Own the Patriots<\/a>\u201c.)<\/p>\n<p>Think about that for a minute! Sports domination expressed in terms of ownership\u2014the dominated rival as the \u201cproperty\u201d of the dominator.<\/p>\n<p>People in the\u00a0Spanish-speaking world have a different way of talking about this sort of dominance: the language of paternity. The dominant team, metaphorically, is the rival\u2019s father: you\u2019re\u00a0\u2019Pap\u00e1\u2019\u2026 and the\u00a0other\u00a0team?\u00a0Well,\u00a0\u2019Los tenemos de hijos\u2019 (They\u2019re our sons). Thus, Spanish soccer is witness to\u00a0\u201d<a href=\"http:\/\/www.libero.pe\/paternidad-cule-barcelona-derroto-3-1-al-real-madrid-en-el-bernabeu-2011-12-10-1\">la paternidad \u2018cule\u2019<\/a>\u201c, Barcelona\u2019s ascendancy over Real Madrid.\u00a0\u00a0In Mexico, fans of\u00a0Pumas\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/deportes.terra.com\/futbol\/paternidades-famosas-del-futbol-mexicano-y-algo-mas,131d369c3ad12310VgnVCM20000099f154d0RCRD.html\">boast of their team as \u201cpap\u00e1\u201d<\/a>\u00a0of rivals Cruz\u00a0Azul and Chivas. Of course, in all cases, the assertion of paternal status is disputed by fans of the supposed \u201chijos\u201d or sons.<\/p>\n<p>In Argentine soccer, the\u00a0<em>hinchada<\/em>\u00a0(fans) of San Lorenzo swagger verbally before\u00a0<em>los bosteros<\/em>\u00a0(fans of Boca Juniors) as \u201cPap\u00e1 Santo\u201d and proudly calculate \u201c<a href=\"http:\/\/www.taringa.net\/posts\/deportes\/1703754\/San-Lorenzo---Un-siglo-de-paternidad.html\">Un siglo de paternidad<\/a>\u201c, a century of fatherhood, over Boca Juniors.\u00a0 (<a href=\"http:\/\/www.google.com\/url?sa=t&amp;rct=j&amp;q=&amp;esrc=s&amp;frm=1&amp;source=web&amp;cd=1&amp;ved=0CC8QFjAA&amp;url=http%3A%2F%2Ftodapasion.tn.com.ar%2Fprimera-division%2F00063766%2Fsan-lorenzo-una-paternidad-que-se-atribuye-y-no-tiene-sobre-boca&amp;ei=hak1T4WSEonUgAeq_6XoBQ&amp;usg=AFQjCNFZ2_01j38YwI_VhPd8jNNuHAA87w\">Boca fans protest<\/a>\u00a0that San Lorenzo\u2019s superiority in head-to-head competition extends back only as far as the professional era, which began in 1930, and that when amateur-era records are figured in, Boca actually comes out with a\u00a0slight advantage.)<\/p>\n<p>Boca fanatics, for their part, love to lord it over River Plate as \u201cPap\u00e1 Boca\u201d, crowing particularly loudly now that River has suffered the humiliation of\u00a0<em>descenso\u2014<\/em>relegation to a lower league. (The illustration above right brings alive this whole sense of River as \u201chijo\u201d; the Boca fan\u00a0also uses\u00a0his left hand to make a visual joke around\u00a0the insulting nickname rivals use for River,\u00a0<em>gallinas,\u00a0<\/em>meaning \u2018chickens\u2019 or \u2018hens\u2019.) Indeed, there is a Facebook page entitled<a href=\"http:\/\/es-es.facebook.com\/pages\/Para-Mi-Hijo-River-De-Su-Papa-Boca\/149517165059984\">\u201cPara Mi Hijo River, De Su Pap\u00e1 Boca\u201d<\/a>\u00a0(For My Son River, From Your Daddy Boca).<\/p>\n<p>While usually expressing sporting dominance as \u201cownership\u201d,\u00a0US culture is not completely alien to\u00a0using the language of paternity. The phrase \u201cWho\u2019s your Daddy?\u201d has made occasional appearances; the query became a catch-phrase of the Duke University men\u2019s basketball team, and star player Shane Battier, around the year 2000.<\/p>\n<p>The phrase really became notorious, though, during the 2003 baseball season. That year, the brilliant Dominican right-hander Pedro Mart\u00ednez, one of the greatest pitchers of his generation, and\u00a0at the time\u00a0a\u00a0member\u00a0of the Boston Red Sox,\u00a0was repeatedly frustrated by the New York Yankees. After a particularly galling defeat,\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/sportsillustrated.cnn.com\/2004\/writers\/tom_verducci\/09\/28\/pedro.yankees\/\">he told reporters<\/a>: \u201cThey beat me. They\u2019re that good right now. They\u2019re that hot. I just tip my hat and call the Yankees my daddy.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Mart\u00ednez was raked over the coals for this comment. The derision was relentless;\u00a0Yankee Stadium, in particular, resounded with the chant, \u201cWho\u2019s your Daddy?\u201d whenever he was pitching. Some of the glee in this mockery drew on the\u00a0(at least vaguely sensed)\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/www.washingtonpost.com\/wp-dyn\/articles\/A46032-2005Jan3.html\">sexual connotations<\/a>\u00a0of the phrase.<\/p>\n<p>I am aware, though, of no one ever pointing out the sources in Hispanic\/Latin American culture that were likely at play in Mart\u00ednez\u2019s unconscious mind, influencing him to express his frustration in that particular way. Mart\u00ednez was also demonstrating a sense of underlying security, sportsmanship, and good humor with his remark.\u00a0It\u2019s conceivable, though, that calling the Yankees \u2018Daddy\u2019 was a mistake, actually compromising his ability to execute effectively against them. For this superlative performer and fierce competitor was, from then on,\u00a0repeatedly stymied by the New Yorkers\u2014most notably in the 2009 World Series, as a member of the Philadelphia Phillies. Or maybe the word was simply the perfect expression of the Yankees\u2019 sustained command over him.<\/p>\n<p>Still,\u00a0the framework of domination-as-ownership prevails in US culture, and the framework of paternal authority in the Spanish-speaking world.\u00a0 It\u2019s no accident. Commercial relations and property rights have a salience in the English-speaking world, and particularly the United States, that Hispanic\/Latin American culture lacks. It\u2019s not that these things are absent in the latter culture, but rather that they are nowhere near as central to the popular imagination. There, instead, the family still retains much of its ancient symbolic power as the\u00a0fundamental ordering unit of society, and the underlying metaphor for\u00a0virtually every social relationship.<\/p>\n<p><em>Pablo J. Davis, Ph.D., C.T. is Principal and Owner of\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/www.interfluency.com\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Interfluency Translation+Culture<\/a>\u00a0(TM), which delivers Spanish and English translation solutions as well as interactive, inspiring cultural training.<\/em><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>With their stunning Super Bowl victory over the New England Patriots, the New York Giants not only became NFL champions for the second time in a five-year span, they also extended their recent, but impressive, domination of the team that has been pro football\u2019s standard of excellence for the past decade. 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